I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. Each person will answer to God for themselves. Sorry David, we must be talking about different books. John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. If that is the last word then so be it. In the sermon above Stephen lets out a wee quip at the beginning when responding to some criticism go start your own church. This British website sets out clearly the Biblical gospel, compared to the ME gospel, in the context of evangelism. That is grotesque manipulation and a parody of the Gospel. But again I explained why I chose Dallas. During the event, MacArthur accused the Southern Baptist Convention of . Thank you for your answer re the mega church your reason for mentioning Dallas Baptist Church favourably is because you know a young man who did some good mission work. Citing Dallas Baptist because you knew a young man who went there. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he reportedly said he felt ill. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. You then accused me of muddying the waters by dropping in a bit of juicy gossip. Its just name calling which again results in self-justification and does not really contribute to any discussion. The news clip above catalogues the controversy about his $1.8 million new build house caused. Your comment about owning churches is actually ban on the mark. And lets talk about finance. That is just nuts. Purpose doesnt have a parking spot is no substitute for many are the plans in a mans heart but it is the Lords purpose that prevails. "In a recent sermon given by Steven Furtick of Elevation Church around Christmas 2016, Furtick continues to demonstrate that John Macarthur is right in his assessment that Furtick is indeed 'unqualified to be a pastor by not . One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . As for his preaching, we will disagree. Radio Scotland Abortion Debate Edited Highlights, https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw, http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0, http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop, https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, Most Read Wee Flea Articles in 2017 THE BLOG OF DAVID ROBERTSON. From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. You are just exporting your own. It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. [39], For example, with respect to sexual orientation, he asserted that "no one is gay" as "God didn't hardwire anybody"[40] to be gay any more than he "hardwires" individuals to be adulterers or bank robbers. Simply not true. Drawn from over fifty years of intense Bible study and regular expository teaching, John MacArthur's verse-by-verse study notes, book introductions, and articles display an unwavering commitment to interpretive precisionwith the goal of making God known through His Word. Your replies to G White were disgraceful and totally unwarranted, particularly in light of the respectful way he/she raised a perfectly justifiable concern. Jenna . The elders had publicly disciplined a woman for refusing . Its not the unadulterated Word of God for our generation. (By the way I would suggest that you learn what is name is). John Fea | February 10, 2023 1 Comment. In 1989, after some criticism, he defended his views in a plenary session of the annual convention of the Independent Fundamental Churches of America (IFCA). [6] During a 1979 interview, Pastor MacArthur stated he is "distantly related to General Douglas MacArthur." I know in theory you agree with He must increase, I must decrease as do I. And there are some well-liked denominations and networks of churches on Facebook pages too: john macarthur on elevation church. John MacArthur is pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. David, you try very hard to always get the last word and I knew that the question you asked was loaded. What a waste of a fantastic talent. Dear David, If I had said that I wasnt happy with any mega church, that would have been a fault as well. You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. On top of that, MacArthur also took a salary from Grace Community Church that was "well within the upper-medium range" for California church employees, according to Johnson's 2014 statement. More here: https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Thanks very helpfulalthough I think that the money and the me focus are a key part of the false teaching. What is there to apologise for? Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. He did not say Timothy Keller is an anti-Christian preacher. Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. MacArthur also refused to enforce mask and social distancing guidelines for congregants. "[7][8] MacArthur followed in his father's footsteps to enroll at the fundamentalist Bob Jones College from 1957 to 1959. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. MacArthur responded, "Go home." Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. Truth in love. Here is Kate Shellnut: Last year, Hohn Cho concluded Grace Community Church had made a mistake. I challenged that because I regard these as serious charges and not to made lightly against a Christian brother. Cho was told by MacArthur to "forget it" when he called on the elders to "do justice. MacArthur has written three books on the subject. But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. Paul Guay was a pastor at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) who had been molesting his daughter, Wendy since at least 1979. Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. as there are with me. I might write a review later but the book is dreadful Mark Driscoll and Tim Keller, for example, are frequently careless and irreverent in the way they use Scripture. Really? Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. Tim Keller as an anti-Christian preacher is nonsense.it is the kind of irrational ranting legalism that I was mentioning at the beginning.very very sad that you endorse it! Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. I'm a bank robber. Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. Im afraid I have had more than enough of this kind of depressing legalism and self-righteousness pride(and before you jump in yes I admit I can all too easily be the same).. At the risk of over-blogging (I dont want to be a bore), have you seen this just the introduction. Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. PPS. March 5, 2021 . IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. However, I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. My own view is that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act. In your second post you again make the false claim that I set Dallas against Chandler. As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. 3) Its not Furtick who will save the world from hate, crime, drugs etc. And if you want to learn of the dangers of this movement I would recommend that you read The New Calvinists: Changing The Gospel by E S Williams. Your other remarks continue to be provocative, misleading and snide and I wont grace them with a reply, other than to say that I have no need to retract any of my remarks, for the reasons already explained to you. In case you missed the news, Christianity Today is reporting on a pattern of spiritual abuse on John MacArthur's Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. 1) There is only One only speaks the truth and it aint Steven Furtick. The Church of England's compromise on same-sex relationships is disastrous for everyone. It is indeed a blessto have a fellowship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and indeed the Lord reigns. For all who oppose success in serving Jesus Christ!!! Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. It is sometimes quite difficult to know how to answer you because of the way in which you misrepresent what is being said. New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. I would ask you to withdraw your remarks about legalism.posting serious allegations.refusing to substantiate them if you are in any way suggesting that I am such a person. We only do pale imitations of what is not great anyway! all Christians are the same etc. Fox News Flash top headlines are here. 2) I challenge you to provide some evidence for that statement and question whether you were just against mega churches per se. My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. MacArthur is a strong proponent of expository preaching, and has been acknowledged by Christianity Today as one of the most influential preachers of his time. JOIN Elevation Church Sunday Service with Steven Furtick at 2PM, 5PM, 8PM, 10PM, Live Stream (December-12-2021). | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. As it happens I was sent this video by someone who was praising it.it is more like a political rally (complete with clapping) than a Christian sermon the misuse of Scripture about borders is bad enough but the approving citation of Donald Trump Is it time to start bombing the you know what out of ISIS (that is a biblical response) was appalling. . David, once again you are making assertions that do not stand scrutiny. Its not that difficult to grow large congregations which teach heresy if you think size is an indication of faithfulness then why are you not a Muslim, a Mormon or a Moonie?! Despite concern from church members, Grace Community Church has assured the public that MacArthur is recovering and doing better. Nevertheless, you continued to misrepresent what I had said, and you continue to do so, even after prayerfully sleeping on it. Market data provided by Factset. [20] The event featured a number of speakers who argued for cessationist theology and strongly critiqued the Charismatic Movement. I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. (Note the attempted injection of humour!). Really? [41] MacArthur compared the assertion that sexual orientation is a born trait to a hypothetical bank robber's protestation, "I keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. Market data provided by Factset. John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. Can we in the UK stop copying these kind of churches? All I would say is that there was no irrational, ranting, preaching anywhere in it. The trouble is that because they have the money, the media and the power, they are able to have an influence far beyond their spiritual authority and gifts. Its also a nasty wee trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading and snide. Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? The writer of Hebrews 12:14 states frankly that only those who continue living holy lives will enter the Lord's presence." I have read only one or two books by John Piper and Timothy Keller and dont really know much about them. The preacher's admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valley received an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. If you dont like it, too bad. yes it was dishonest of you to misrepresent my position as some pastors are untouchable. He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. These views raised controversy within American evangelicalism and were challenged in print by non-lordship dispensationalist theologians Charles Ryrie and Zane C. Hodges, who argued that MacArthur's ministry was teaching a form of works-based salvation. They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he. 1) There is no name calling followed by misrepresentative, deceitful and sly go figure! 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. I will reply to them briefly. If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. I didnt even mention Chandler in my comment, let alone call him a false teacher (and have never done so). John MacArthur Responds to 2021 Julie Roys (Part One) - YouTube #pastorjohnmacarthur#johnmacarthur #gracecommunitychurch#julieroys This sermon clip is from Grace to You, it is on 1 Timothy. I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. [45] His major contention was that there was no justification for closing down churches over a disease with 94% survival rate according to misinterpreted data from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Sadly so. If not why do you feel in a position to judge? [48][49], In February 2023 Christianity Today[50] published multiple instances of MacArthur's Grace Community church advising woman to stay with sexually and physically abusive husbands. Its wrong to mock and you should try to win them over without mockery. "[44], In 2020 and 2021, during the COVID-19 global crisis, MacArthur contravened orders from Los Angeles County public health officials regarding services at Grace Community Church, and insisted that no one from the church had become seriously ill, despite reports to the contrary. (At this point I am of course aware of the same danger for myself and it certainly does act as a warning to me! But again, whilst it is not my style, I dont see why it cant be done well, reverently and to the glory of God. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . False teachers and those who allow the Word of God to be compromised are like a cancer in the church; some who preach flat out heresy are like the aggressive cancer and are easy to spot quickly but others who compromise a bit here and turn a blind eye there are akin to the slow growing tumour thats often not picked up until great damage is done. He did say that some of his views reflected the old style Liberation Theology and Social Gospel, confusion over eternal punishment and other things. PS Im a huge Chandler fan over here. I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. Have mercy! Reiterating his stance on 1 Timothy 2:12, he went on to state, "There is no case that can be made biblically for a woman preacher. And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. The church that is spending $130 million on redoing its downtown campus? by RELEVANT. LOS ANGELES PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR PUBLICLY REBUKES GAVIN NEWSOM FOR 'DIABOLICAL' POLICIES, INVOKING JESUS, Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. 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